Understanding Vietnamese Life Partner

[KangTuo]

Originally Posted by Kualalumpur

And do not mistake, most Vietnameses are far, far walthier than any Singaporean.

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

Thank you for sharing...I am not sure if I agree to your statement above...after reading your forum, I felt that you are completely against Vn gals..maybe you are speaking from your past experiences...

Originally Posted by naemlo

I disagree with u on this.... Not most, it is just a small portion, who are damn rich....

How rich can a normal viet be, where a waitress/waitress earn 1-2mil a mth. Where a fresh engineer earns 200-300usd per mth.

read somewhere that VN population is 86,116,580 as in mid july
heard from a viet friend doing biz in HCMC that 20% of the population are rich. Base on this statistic,

20% of 86,116,580 = 17,223,316

so i can agree with bro Kualalumpur that most vietnamese are far wealthier than us Sillyporean (population of 5,000,000)

[naemlo]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

so i can agree with bro Kualalumpur that most vietnamese are far wealthier than us Sillyporean (population of 5,000,000)

Wow u calculate this way then I guess Chinese r richer than the world.

[chanyboy]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

read somewhere that VN population is 86,116,580 as in mid july
heard from a viet friend doing biz in HCMC that 20% of the population are rich. Base on this statistic,

20% of 86,116,580 = 17,223,316

so i can agree with bro Kualalumpur that most vietnamese are far wealthier than us Sillyporean (population of 5,000,000)

Originally Posted by naemlo

Wow u calculate this way then I guess Chinese r richer than the world.

regardless..the folks here are the poorest indeed...many are in debt, not 'rich' per se. Only so-called "asset rich" (the garmen oso wants to paint a pix correctly so everyone think they are rich..), but cash poor... imagine fighting over a 20 cent discount also must argue, while sitting at nite-club or pub 20buck is ok... "value" (compare locally, can't compare oversea) for money I think..

[Kualalumpur]

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

Thank you for sharing...I am not sure if I agree to your statement above...after reading your forum, I felt that you are completely against Vn gals..maybe you are speaking from your past experiences...

I am not against, but they must be trained, and carefully selected to avoid real mess, I have personal and a professionnal experience, and in my mind, worldwide, if people are too contaminated by the "God money" syndrome, it is gone on all sides, no matter how good their families are.

About how rich Vietnamese are, just put it simple. Check the price per square meter in Hanoi, see how many people are owner of their houses, and try to figure out how they bought it. Guess how those bar girl can have their own flat as owners, at 70-80000USD. Look at the amazing amount of cars in Hanoi and Saigon that are brand new, with a nearly 100% tax compared to foreign prices. Since January, about three dozens of Humvee have been sold in Hanoi alone.

The money is circulating in the families, but they will choose for what purpose. I know peoples who clean the motorbikes on the street, yet have a 600000USD house in Tay Ho. If a maid in HN or HCMC who gets 2 millions VND a month - already expensive - need 40 or 50000USD, she will ask her family and relatives, and in most cases she can get it within days. There is a huge amount of money circulating,

About your fresh engineer that earns 200-300USD a month, he will have as well a percentage from the supplies companies, the services, the customers...

So it is 200-300USD a month of salary, and a couple thousands USD a month of tips and percentages, if he is a little bit clever.

I work for a very large foreign company, and everything was tipped from up to down, all the people around me were getting their tips on everything, even a famous coffee place near Nha Tho.

My driver arranged to get 3000 to 5000VND each time I took a coffee and a pastry from there. And that driver was paid over 1200USD a month. For my house renting, he got 200 USD each month out of 1600USD renting. And my secretary, who found the house, 50USD each month.

Discussing with many foreigners, and vietnameses, it is a common situation. My Vietnamese friend who got a house built just in front of Westlake rented an architect.

Apart from his salary, the architect got money because he allowed the people to use old bricks here and there and resell the good quality ones, put more sand in the concrete and resell the spare good concrete, use some Chinese electric cables hidden in the walls instead of the Korean imported ones, make some marble pieces a little bit smaller, dilute the painting a little bit, everything was tipped and calculated in a way or another to earn more and more. That's where it starts to be very dangerous with gals. If they are trained to think like that, and there are many, they will not care to screw the husband to earn 50US more a month, or for the perspective to earn much more in a couple of years with their boyfriend. They can make big painful cheats for what we would consider to be worthless...

If a Vietnamese wants to have a job in a large company I know of, you get so much tips and others unclean money, that you have to pay 10 to 20000USD if you want to be employed. I know that from sight. And there are around a thousand people who pay each year to be employed in that company, that still gets larger and larger. That job is paid officially 400USD a month maximum. But they all have deluxe cars and huge houses, sometimes 2 or three houses, after a couple of years of work.

People do not realize that the most important is not the salary, it is the convenience to earn more money that is important.

There is no meaning to give the salaries in Vietnam, because the salary is absolutely nothing in the monthly income. Let's talk about a waitress in a club, they rarely get paid more than 2-3 millions per month. But if they have a rich foreigner every night + working sometimes as escort/guide, or in a massage place, they get an income of 1-2000USD per month. If that foreigner ask them for a good taxi, a good place to stay, a good hotel, they get additional tips. On one side their salary is less than 200USD, so they are very poor apparently, but on the other side they earn 1500USD/month.

[leecs]

Wow!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the insight... 真的大开眼界.

[papillon30]

Diva - 34-year gap is no barrier for newly weds

Love at 1st sight as claimed? Or is it just money and sex?

[papillon30]

Originally Posted by Kualalumpur

I am not against, but they must be trained, and carefully selected to avoid real mess, I have personal and a professionnal experience, and in my mind, worldwide, if people are too contaminated by the "God money" syndrome, it is gone on all sides, no matter how good their families are.

About how rich Vietnamese are, just put it simple. Check the price per square meter in Hanoi, see how many people are owner of their houses, and try to figure out how they bought it. Guess how those bar girl can have their own flat as owners, at 70-80000USD. Look at the amazing amount of cars in Hanoi and Saigon that are brand new, with a nearly 100% tax compared to foreign prices. Since January, about three dozens of Humvee have been sold in Hanoi alone.

The money is circulating in the families, but they will choose for what purpose. I know peoples who clean the motorbikes on the street, yet have a 600000USD house in Tay Ho. If a maid in HN or HCMC who gets 2 millions VND a month - already expensive - need 40 or 50000USD, she will ask her family and relatives, and in most cases she can get it within days. There is a huge amount of money circulating,

About your fresh engineer that earns 200-300USD a month, he will have as well a percentage from the supplies companies, the services, the customers...

So it is 200-300USD a month of salary, and a couple thousands USD a month of tips and percentages, if he is a little bit clever.

I work for a very large foreign company, and everything was tipped from up to down, all the people around me were getting their tips on everything, even a famous coffee place near Nha Tho.

My driver arranged to get 3000 to 5000VND each time I took a coffee and a pastry from there. And that driver was paid over 1200USD a month. For my house renting, he got 200 USD each month out of 1600USD renting. And my secretary, who found the house, 50USD each month.

Discussing with many foreigners, and vietnameses, it is a common situation. My Vietnamese friend who got a house built just in front of Westlake rented an architect.

Apart from his salary, the architect got money because he allowed the people to use old bricks here and there and resell the good quality ones, put more sand in the concrete and resell the spare good concrete, use some Chinese electric cables hidden in the walls instead of the Korean imported ones, make some marble pieces a little bit smaller, dilute the painting a little bit, everything was tipped and calculated in a way or another to earn more and more. That's where it starts to be very dangerous with gals. If they are trained to think like that, and there are many, they will not care to screw the husband to earn 50US more a month, or for the perspective to earn much more in a couple of years with their boyfriend. They can make big painful cheats for what we would consider to be worthless...

If a Vietnamese wants to have a job in a large company I know of, you get so much tips and others unclean money, that you have to pay 10 to 20000USD if you want to be employed. I know that from sight. And there are around a thousand people who pay each year to be employed in that company, that still gets larger and larger. That job is paid officially 400USD a month maximum. But they all have deluxe cars and huge houses, sometimes 2 or three houses, after a couple of years of work.

People do not realize that the most important is not the salary, it is the convenience to earn more money that is important.

There is no meaning to give the salaries in Vietnam, because the salary is absolutely nothing in the monthly income. Let's talk about a waitress in a club, they rarely get paid more than 2-3 millions per month. But if they have a rich foreigner every night + working sometimes as escort/guide, or in a massage place, they get an income of 1-2000USD per month. If that foreigner ask them for a good taxi, a good place to stay, a good hotel, they get additional tips. On one side their salary is less than 200USD, so they are very poor apparently, but on the other side they earn 1500USD/month.

The underground economy is very much bigger than the real economy.
The amount of SJC gold, USD and VND "underground" is staggering. Most
transactions are on cash-basis.

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by papillon30

Diva - 34-year gap is no barrier for newly weds

Love at 1st sight as claimed? Or is it just money and sex?

Yes, I was oso wondering when I read it...anyway this was a transaction which was done between two parties which suit their needs...

[Kualalumpur]

Originally Posted by naemlo

I disagree with u on this.... Not most, it is just a small portion, who are damn rich....

How rich can a normal viet be, where a waitress/waitress earn 1-2mil a mth. Where a fresh engineer earns 200-300usd per mth.

Vietnam Smuggling Airlines [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums

10000-20000USD entry fee to get the job, 400 USD salary.

"Airline pilot jailed for smuggling $6.5 million". VN pilot gets 1500USD/month, he gets 5% for transportation, so he earned another 300000USD in a year, and he is not alone to do that by far None will speak openly, and they will still complain that they have such low salaries.

[naemlo]

Originally Posted by Kualalumpur

"Airline pilot jailed for smuggling $6.5 million". VN pilot gets 1500USD/month, he gets 5% for transportation, so he earned another 300000USD in a year, and he is not alone to do that by far None will speak openly, and they will still complain that they have such low salaries.

How many Vietnamese pilot comparing to waitress/waitress, taxi drivers, road sweepers in vietnam??? How many driving merc compare to motorist?

Anyway, it is your thinking of Vietnamese.... go with it.

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by Kualalumpur

Vietnam Smuggling Airlines [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums

10000-20000USD entry fee to get the job, 400 USD salary.

"Airline pilot jailed for smuggling $6.5 million". VN pilot gets 1500USD/month, he gets 5% for transportation, so he earned another 300000USD in a year, and he is not alone to do that by far None will speak openly, and they will still complain that they have such low salaries.

Thank you for sharing...it seems that only the Vn co-pilot or flight crew are involved...it seems that the foreigner pilots were not involved in smuggling...anyway these are crime and punishable if prosecuted...not sure how many Vn have such opportunity to do carry out such act...

[NewandLost]

Originally Posted by papillon30

The underground economy is very much bigger than the real economy.
The amount of SJC gold, USD and VND "underground" is staggering. Most
transactions are on cash-basis.

why would you want to live in a society or have a relationship with a gal who comes from a society where the norm is like what you describe? seems like everyone is out for themselves, there are no rules, and seems like it only leads to disaster for a sheltered singapore braddah.

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by NewandLost

why would you want to live in a society or have a relationship with a gal who comes from a society where the norm is like what you describe? seems like everyone is out for themselves, there are no rules, and seems like it only leads to disaster for a sheltered singapore braddah.

Do you know HK started in this culture...everyone for themselves...look at them today...I think in every country there is good and bad ppl...just have to go in and open your eyes wide and big...I always believes if you did good you will begets good...this is karma...

Anyway I still plan to retire in HCM...

[SingViet]

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

Do you know HK started in this culture...everyone for themselves...look at them today...I think in every country there is good and bad ppl...just have to go in and open your eyes wide and big...I always believes if you did good you will begets good...this is karma...

Anyway I still plan to retire in HCM...

everyone for themselves, there's nothing wrong with this. But to constantly cheat others or foreigners is surely not normal. Small cheats, like those who sell foreigners goods and services at higher prices are norm at almost every part of the world, but cheating to a larger scale and cheating to survive is surely not encouraged. All these cheating are actually quite a norm, just that Singaporeans are way too protected to realise what happens in the outside world.

[papillon30]

Originally Posted by NewandLost

why would you want to live in a society or have a relationship with a gal who comes from a society where the norm is like what you describe? seems like everyone is out for themselves, there are no rules, and seems like it only leads to disaster for a sheltered singapore braddah.

Yes, you are right to say that for a sheltered Singapore braddah, it can only
leads to disaster. That is why alot of Singapore braddahs cow peh cow bu
on SBF.

It's a learning experience trying to earn a buck or two in Vietnam. There are alot of opportunities to be rich as the rules and regulations are not clear. The Vietnamese are highly adapatable and pragmatic; largely untrustworthy.
Vietnam is like a school of hard-knocks.

Who dares, wins