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[Heyitsmeman]

Originally Posted by lostboyz

hey guys, can anyone confirm that scratch dog is closed down already? I'm flying over tonight.

Open everyday, last week I went close around 4.

[lostboyz]

Originally Posted by vbkk

It's open. But close early than usual.

Originally Posted by Heyitsmeman

Open everyday, last week I went close around 4.

Thanks lot bro for the heads up.

[vbkk]

Originally Posted by kelthai

share my photo of nice food in bangkok

555, that really got me laughing! Create a new nick so fast to post my WeChat moments. I'm very impressed and honoured by your persistence. No worry I won't block my WeChat moments.

[lost99]

Originally Posted by vbkk

Sorry bro. I had nothing against this guy really. I dun even know him in person. ..... Dodgy who is tries to hide things. Not to mention expensive and lousy . And now goes around accusing others saying as agents. Oh please really

Vbkk, I'm sorry but at this point I have to step in and strongly disagree with you. I haven't met you but i have met Tony in China before many times, dating back almost 10 years ago. He has always been reliable, honest, and forthcoming person with me and i have no complaints with him whatsoever. In fact if i have friends goto China i still recommend them to contact Tony for advice; I would not do that if what you said above was true. Since you admit you've never met him personally, all these accusation you have of him must be considered hearsay and not reliable as evidence.

I don't wish that both of you keep fighting here when the purpose of this forum is to share useful Thailand Info, and has gotten to the point of you guys trying to one up each other. However this started, it takes both parties to end it, if you want to do your part to end it you may, but based on the comments above it doesn't look like you wanna let it go.

[lost99]

Originally Posted by vbkk

I supply coyotes to bars in Bangkok. But I dun supply to individuals/customers....They are free to patronise any bars in Bangkok and please dun embarrass yourself further with lack of knowledge.

Coyote modelling agent - do not earn comm from lady drinks/barfines from customers entering the bar. The bars get the full comm. Go ask your contacts in Bangkok how it works here.

I think this was the core of the dispute. Even though you are not exclusively involved with any particular GoGo, you are still involved in the Coyote delivery 'chain' and thus benefit from the success of Coyote-themed Agogo's. I think most bros (myself included) don't like the concept of Coyote's as they are deceitful and just try to get LDs from customer but cannot be barfined. Since you financially benefit from the success of Coyote Bars (the Arab bars correct?), it can make your views on the matter seem biased, even if you don't promote a specific Gogo or profit from individual LDs. Please correct me if i am wrong? I am not trying to undermine you or enter this argument, but just give you an opportunity to explain so you can end this squabble once and for all.

[vbkk]

Originally Posted by lost99

Vbkk, I'm sorry but at this point I have to step in and strongly disagree with you. I haven't met you but i have met Tony in China before many times, dating back almost 10 years ago. He has always been reliable, honest, and forthcoming with me and i have no complaints with him whatsoever. In fact if i have friends goto China i still recommend them to contact Tony for advice; I would not do that if what you said above was true. Since you admit you've never met him personally, all these accusation you have of him must be considered hearsay and not reliable as evidence.

I say this respectfully, as admittedly I haven't met you, but I believe the initial misunderstanding was concerning your business in Thailand which sounded a bit suspicious . I think most bro's (myself included) hate the concept of Coyotes and consider them deceitful as they only hook customers in to buy drinks, but can't be barfined. Even if you not involved with an exclusive bar or the LD stage your involvement in the Coyote chain can make some of your Agogo bar views look suspect. However, i'll reserve judgement and give you the opportunity to explain if you want to - there are 2 sides to every story. But i believe this was the core of the squabble or mistrust.

I don't wish that both of you keep fighting here when the purpose of this forum is to share useful Thailand Info, and has gotten to the point of you guys trying to expose each other. However this started, it takes both parties to end it, if you want to do your part to end it you may, but based on the comments above it doesn't look like you wanna let it go.

Coyote concept is very much alike gentleman club style. Except u dun have to pay large amount to enjoy some rubba in the bars. U or your friends might not like the idea of it but I believe many does. If not coyote concept will be sprung over from cowboy to nana and now even patpong over the recent years! If it's not welcomed, certainly bar owners will not pay huge salary to engage coyote modelling as well as coyotes to bring in the customers. There are coyote bars with barfine concept.

Some prefer to go for freelance. Some prefer go to coyote bars/agogo bars. Some prefer sitting/drinking with pretty girls at gentleman clubs. I believe there's a market for everyone in Bangkok. So by saying that many dislike coyote concept is rather misleading. There are less than 10 authentic 100% agogo bars in Nana/cowboy/patpong compared to the past.

For those who dislike coyotes concepts, there will be ones who love it. In life, u can't have best of everything. Like u may have enjoyed tony's companion/service, there will also be ones who did not. This is life.

I did not need to expose whether he is a agent or not or bring in friends to vouch anything. I believe many can see whether is he a ktv/club agent as much as he denied it but his WeChat/websites said it all. The fact he said he did not provide any such service/work in Bangkok/china.

Based on the attempt of creating a new nick "kelthai" and posting my WeChat moments, goes to show how immature he can be.

His websites are easily accessible through Google. But by creating a new nick and posting WeChat moments, he had sort of "betray" a mutual trust in between two consenting adults ( friends/acquaintance ) by sharing on a public forum. So who is despicable ?

Please dun come tell me this new nick created today 1 post is someone else? Use your buttocks also can know who created that nick. Why dun use original nick to post?

So who is the one who does not want to let go?

[vbkk]

Originally Posted by lost99

I think this was the core of the dispute. Even though you are not exclusively involved with any particular GoGo, you are still involved in the Coyote delivery 'chain' and thus benefit from the success of Coyote-themed Agogo's. I think most bros (myself included) don't like the concept of Coyote's as they are deceitful and just try to get LDs from customer but cannot be barfined. Since you financially benefit from the success of Coyote Bars (the Arab bars correct?), it can make your views on the matter seem biased, even if you don't promote a specific Gogo or profit from individual LDs. Please correct me if i am wrong? I am not trying to undermine you or enter this argument, but just give you an opportunity to explain so you can end this squabble once and for all.

My views/posts on the behind the scene and the breakdown on how things works for coyote bars are purely for everyone to better understand how the drinks system/barfine works and how the bar operates. U can go back and read and quote me on which post that might seems biased which was never brought up until today by yourself perhaps?

[ChiefPilot]

Originally Posted by vbkk

Quote u as well. Yup I supply coyotes to bars in Bangkok. But I dun supply to individuals/customers. I had never supply any girls to anyone here in this forum. They are free to patronise any bars in Bangkok and please dun embarrass yourself further with lack of knowledge.

Coyote modelling agent - do not earn comm from lady drinks/barfines from customers entering the bar. The bars get the full comm. Go ask your contacts in Bangkok how it works here.

james... instead of fighting with tony why you not help me find that cheeby sapsinmike? I give you 30% commission if sapsinmike return the debts he owe me...

[TonyCheong2]

Originally Posted by naemlo

If I come n put 1 leg, any free beer for me???

555 you all very good hor.
Camping here to see free show of some busybody and cocky people post his business stories and autobiography in Bangkok.

Originally Posted by Allanooi

Got popcorns and candyfloss boh? I quit drinking lol only drink fresh milk

After come back from Jakarta quit drinking alcohol?

Indo cewek susu must be damn power!

*Disclaimer: Some busybody and cocky people claim my info and opinion are misleading as out of touch with Thailand. Please use info at your own discretion.

[naemlo]

Originally Posted by ChiefPilot

james... instead of fighting with tony why you not help me find that cheeby sapsinmike? I give you 30% commission if sapsinmike return the debts he owe me...

I am curious....Sounded like u ah bang, ah bang with vbkk, why not whatsapp, line, wechat, whatever IM with him directly for this?

[naemlo]

Originally Posted by TonyCheong2

555 you all very good hor.
Camping here to see free show of some busybody and cocky people post his business stories and autobiography in Bangkok.

Come in peace as long my tail is not purposely flatten...

[kelthai]

share some lovely bar gals photo

[lost99]

Originally Posted by vbkk

Coyote concept....U or your friends might not like the idea of it but I believe many does. If not coyote concept will be sprung over from cowboy to nana and now even patpong over the recent years! If it's not welcomed, certainly bar owners will not pay huge salary to engage coyote modelling as well as coyotes to bring in the customers. There are coyote bars with barfine concept.

Well, the same logic applies to the Tuk-Tuk scams, Wat Po temple scams, Ping Pong show scams, and Thai jewels scam....these things also spread and continue after so many years not because people enjoy it, but because they are effective in deceiving money from tourists.

Maybe i am in the minority, but to my memory I have never heard another seasoned member here say they truly 'enjoy' the Coyote concept in Thailand, where they can buy LDs with no option to barfine (or super expensive barfine for some Coyotes). For me this entirely defeat the purpose of a Gogo bar. Especially when they are mixed with normal Agogo girl bars, it just makes it confusing who you can barfine and which girl is a waste of your LDs. For this reason, it seems like bros here preach against those Arab Run bars because they mainly use the Coyote strategy against tourists without clearly telling them, who think they can barfine the girl. But again, maybe i am in the minority, and maybe i am out of touch with Thailand and what Bros here enjoy.

[vbkk]

Originally Posted by lost99

Well, the same logic applies to the Tuk-Tuk scams, Wat Po temple scams, Ping Pong show scams, and Thai jewels scam....these things also spread and continue after so many years not because people enjoy it, but because they are effective in deceiving money from tourists.

Maybe i am in the minority, but to my memory I have never heard another seasoned member here say they truly 'enjoy' the Coyote concept in Thailand, where they can buy LDs with no option to barfine (or super expensive barfine for some Coyotes). For me this entirely defeat the purpose of a Gogo bar. Especially when they are mixed with normal Agogo girl bars, it just makes it confusing who you can barfine and which girl is a waste of your LDs. For this reason, it seems like bros here preach against those Arab Run bars because they mainly use the Coyote strategy against tourists without clearly telling them, who think they can barfine the girl. But again, maybe i am in the minority, and maybe i am out of touch with Thailand and what Bros here enjoy.

Majority of the real players/spenders on this forum/Singaporeans dun bother to post here. Because of the way the forum become, most dun really bothers to post FRs after their trips.

Unfortunately it's the era of coyote bars. U said many on the forum opposed/dislike coyotes bars. Are u saying it represents the majority of Singaporeans that patronised nana/cowboy? Hundreds and hundreds of Singaporeans pour into nana/cowboy every night. Even there's a hundred of disgruntled forumers who condemn coyote bars. There is no doubt that hundreds of Singaporeans pour into the cowboy/nana every night. Many years ago, coyotes was a novelty. Nowadays, 75% of the bars are coyotes or mixed coyotes/agogo girls.

Just a handful of agogo bars left to choose from. Mainly baccara,crazy house from cowboy , rainbow 1,2,3,5, spanky,Angelwitch are probably the only ones with 100% agogo concept.

It's not confusing to most who are used to the cowboy/nana scene. Maybe for urself. But agogo girls are the one wearing bikini. Coyotes are the ones with theme costume or sexy short pants. If u are still unsure which bars are which, u could easily have asked here. I believe there are still helpful bros who will answer your query. Or u can just ask the waitress in the bar to explain the difference. So what's the confusing part?

Who ever says u need to buy many LDs to barfine a coyote out? I have seen coyotes going out with customers just like any normal agogo bar style after buying 1-2 lady drinks. Even in agogo bar concept, I have seen generous customers buying trays of tequila for a agogo girl and then later barfine her. It's called building up the chemistry and getting the girl into the mood.

If customers are refusing the idea/concept of coyotes like u said, bars would not be paying high salary to engage coyote modelling as well as coyotes.

A little background info - agogo girl earns roughly 300baht for a day of work without barfine/drinks. A coyote is paid from 500-1200baht ( depends on which bar ) for a day of work without barfine/drinks.

If business model for coyote is bad and losing money, why would a bar owner pay 2-4 times salary for a girl? U may find it silly to buy lady drinks for a coyote. Then I would suggest going to soapys better. Straight simple transaction. No offence. No barfine. Free usage of room. No need buy ladydrinks.

U maybe feel wasteful to buy LDs for coyotes. But there's plenty of Singaporeans who goes to g club like Pimp, Villa , Sherbet ,Aladdin , Tomorrowland , Monte Carlo ( to name a few ) to spend thousands of baht a night to chill.

Conclusion - u have either have to keep up with the everchanging style. Coyote bars, gentleman clubs as well as pretty pubs where u buy tequila drinks for PRs to come sit and chat with u. If u feel wasteful, just stick to baccara and rainbow group agogo bars while they last. Even baccara , they are setting the LT time period at 4 hours unofficially. 6k LT + 1k BF = 7k. Why are there complains of expensive but baccara is still so popular? It may seems expensive for some but there are still many who willing to spend that kind of money.

U are not out of touch. U are just still stuck to 10 years ago concept. Where 80% of the bars in Bangkok are agogo bars. 10 years back, a LT at rainbow bar is only 3k baht and the girl stay till noon.

A coyote can hit 200+ LDs on a 15 day tag work at a coyote bar. That averages to at least 13LDs a night. Also on weekends like Friday and Saturdays, some girls can hit 25-35 LDs a night. If customers are not willing to patronise such concept/bars/coyotes, it would not be substainable for them to pay high salary to the girls.

Also there are customers who are willing to barfine a girl out to cheong disco and pay them 2k-3k without bonking them and release them back by 3am? As much as u are not willing to spend that kind of money, I personally have met and seen many Singaporeans who are willing to spend.

Like someone said on this forum, dun blame the inflation/expensive rates, blame yourself for not earning more.

These are entirely views from another perspective.

[lost99]

I don't think its a good argument to say that people 'want' Coyote bars because most bars now are infested with Coyotes, and owners willing to pay extra to get Coyote Dancers on stage to attract customers. Most Buddist temples are infested with 'scam' tuk-tuks in front of it, most local tours force you to goto fake Thai Jewel Factory or Thai tailor store, but this is not done for the benefit of the customer, but rather for the owners to try force you to buy something you don't want, and unfortunately it works on many tourists, which is why they keep doing it and it become more popular.

The gogo bars are usually freuqented entirely by tourists and not locals, many who come just a single time and unaware of differences between Gogo dancer and Coyote. This is entirely different from a G-Club where most patrons are locals or repeat tourists customers who understand it is different concept (cannot barfine etc..). Your comparision between Gogo Bar and G-Club is not appropriate because the clientele and the expectations from each club is totally different. IMO Coyote dancer mixed with Gogo dancers is confusing and i'm not the only one who thinks so:

"The Confusing Coyote Concept....There has been something of a backlash by Western customers in the likes of Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza against coyote dancers because sometimes it isn't clear who the coyote girls are and who the gogo dancers are. ...there has been a noticeable trend in emails from readers who feel deceived after spending an hour or two getting to know a girl only to be told that she is not available....Lady drinks for coyote dancers typically attract a premium of anywhere between 20 and 100 baht more per drink." https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/week...oyote-concept/

"Tip: If you like to take out girls, don`t support this cheating "Honeypot-Business" and avoid the Gogo Bars that use Coyote Girls."
https://www.bangkok-nightlife-guide....-coyote-girls/

"if you just want to take some hot young girls out, coyote concept in soi cowboy basically is a scam...in most bars there's no clear policy for you to barfine a coyote...I once paid over 10000 baht in drinks for them, trying barfine one of them and ultimately figured out that they are just cock-teasing. mamasan will hint to you that you can barfine the one you like, and after buying dozens of tequila you probably will be told that she is not for sale. My suggest is don't patronize these bars, and they are sahara, deja vu, kiss, and spice girls" (i.e. the Arab bars) http://nanajournals.blogspot.ca/2007...cing-club.html

Also, the issue I have is not with my money and Salary, i am willing to bet my Salary is much more than the average tourist and perhaps yourself if i can afford to take time away from my business and Fly to Asia 5x's per year from USA just to party using my own money (not company expense account), each trip spending thousands of dollars. The issue i have is the principle of deceit posed by Coyotes mixed with Agogos which can scam unsuspecting tourists. Even Billionaire Donald Trump refuse to get swindled or into a bad deal no matter the cost ""You can't con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don't deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on."" It is not a question of Salary, earning more, or spending power, it is the principle of deceit and false advertising. As far as i know, none of these Gogo bars put signs up Clearly explaining which girls are coyotes, and which cost more for LD and can't barfine, or make any real effor to explain before i start ordering drinks. When i walk into a Brothel (which essentially a Gogo bar is, no matter what anyone here thinks) i expect that every girl there is available for sex, and if i spend time and money on a girl only to find out she is not avaialable i would be very pissed. I don't think your average tourist patron would know that sexy shorts = Coyote, and sexy bikini=Gogo when they otherwise look and dance the same, and if the Gogo bars clearly cared to inform us they could, but they don't. At the end of the day, it just looks like a low-grade tourist trap scam to me.

I respect you have a different view, but clearly, you are financially motivated to have this view, and i understand that. However, despite your claims have not personally heard another Bro here say they enjoy the Coyote Concept and find it good value, whereas i have heard many complaints here against Coyotes and Arab bars that use Coyote's to rip of customers. If there is another respected brother here who loves Coyote Dancers, and does not find them confusing when mixed in SC or SN, please let him speak up, and i will take back this view. . We are welcome to their own views and opinions, but right now you are the only voice i hear on this forum that support the Coyotes, and i have heard many people have opposite view.